标题: 请问你是怎样理解hazardous live parts的?(请大家解惑) [打印本页] 作者: ejfgde 时间: 2011-12-20 16:12 标题: 请问你是怎样理解hazardous live parts的?(请大家解惑) 我搞了几年安规,主要是IEC和EN的标准,对这个概念一直没弄太明白,上次有机会问了一下公司总部的一个专家,听了也还是没弄明白。请大家解惑。
同行们一般这样处理案子,比如遇到一个电源,判断其输出端子是否为hazardous live parts. 要求满足两个条件(如果这两种条件都存在,则要同时满足):
一)是要根据不同标准判断其是否符合SELV,比如
在IEC 60335-1里,是不大于42.4V a.c. (peak)或42.4V d.c.;
在IEC 60065里,是不大于
-35V (peak) 60V d.c. ;
-对专业设备的音频信号,120V r.m.s.
-对非专业设备的音频信号,71V r.m.s.
IEC 61558-1里,是不大于 35V a.c. (peak) 或者说60V d.c.;
在IEC 60950-1里,是不大于 42.4V a.c. (peak) 或60V d.c.
二)是如果在初次级有保护性阻抗(protective impedance),则要求
在IEC 60335-1里: if protective impedance is used, the current between the part and the supply source shall not exceed 2mA for d.c., its peak value shall not exceed 0,7maA for a.c. and
-for voltages having a peak value over 42,4V up to and including 450V, the capacitance shall not exceed 0,1uF,
- for voltages having a peak value over 450V up to and including 15kV, the discharge shall not exceed 45 micro V,
-for voltages having a peak value over 15 kV, the energy in the discharge shall not exceed 350mJ.作者: ejfgde 时间: 2011-12-20 16:13
(接着上贴说)
在IEC 60065里: b) the touch current, expressed as the correspinding voltages U1 and U2, and measured in accordance with IEC 60990, with the measuring network described in annex D of this standard, shall not exceeds the following values:
- for a.c.: U1=35V (peak) and U2=0,35V (peak);
- for d.c.: U1: 1,0V
在IEC 60065中,请注意电压的测量是在以下条件下测的:In order to verify that a part or a contact of a terminal is hazardous live, the following measurements are carried out between any two parts or contacts, then between any part or contqact and either pole of the supply source usded during the test. 换句话说,是既要测输出端子间的电压,也要测输入端与次级输出的电压,如果器具接230V市电,则条件一)肯定不会满足了,从而要求测接触电流等。
我想问的是,为什么要测试输入与输出的电压呢?
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在IEC 61558-1里,测试电压的方法也与 IEC 60065相同:cl 9.1.1.1 compliance is checked by measurements carried out between any two conductive parts.也要测输入与输出间的电压的。
在IEC 60950-1里是这样定义hazardous voltage的:
cl 1.2.8.6 HAZARDOUS VOLTAGE : voltage exceeding 42,4V peak, or 60V d.c., existing in a circuit that does not meet the requirements for either a limited current circuit or a TNV circuit.
这个定义是不是想说明,即使电压超过42,4V peak, or 60V d.c,但只要是满足限流电路 (注:限流电路与家电中的保护性阻抗电路是一致的)